[gozur88]

Sure, by stealing money from the people who have it and giving it to poor people, for a short time you make the lot of the poor better.

Now where there were few jobs there are none, and crime has gone from a big problem to a terrible problem. Soon there will be war.

These are not policies that benefit the poor.

[crdoconnor]

>Sure, by stealing money from the people who have it and giving it to poor people

Largely by redirecting money from oil exports to anti-poverty programs.

Before he took power that money was mostly siphoned off abroad and by the upper classes.

Do you really think the country would have fared much better if this practice continued?

[gozur88]

The economy was growing under Chavez's predecessors. Yes, it would have fared much, much better. What he did with oil is less important than what he did to the rest of the economy. Chavez was lucky, in a way, because he died right about the time math caught up with his economic policies.

[crdoconnor]

Actually the economy suffered a massive contraction in the 80s when - surprise! - oil prices plunged. This is partly what led Chavez into power - mostly because while the country technically returned to growth - wages did not go up and unemployment did not go down.

Same cause last time as this time but last time was "all the fault of capitalism" and this one was "all the fault of socialism".

[jim-jim-jim]

Capitalism is theft. It's mathematically impossible for the holder of capital to generate profit if he pays workers wages equal to the value their labor produces. Somebody has to be shortchanged somewhere along the line. The rich in Venezuela should be thankful they only have to deal with mild social democratic wealth redistribution policies.

[apk-d]

Everything except capitalism is theft. In a free market every good exchange is voluntary - made because both parties have decided they're slightly better off with it (else, they wouldn't participate). Therefore, everything but a free market implies deals that are non-voluntary for at least one of the parties.

[gozur88]

Voluntary economic associations are not theft. To say that capitalism is theft is to engage in sophistry. It's only theft if the workers are actually slaves.