[bengillies]

imho the government isn't wilfully malevolent and pretending that it is is a surefire way of getting people to write you off as a crazy person.

> When you don't have facts to back you up you can just make up whatever story you want "Encryption kills your kids" will get shared on facebook no worries.

If the brexit debate taught us anything it's that people can see BS in arguments from a mile away and, when it happens on both sides they dismiss all the facts and go with their instincts. There are some really good arguments against what the UK government is trying to do. I think dressing them up with falsehoods does nothing to advance them.

[grey-area]

If the brexit debate taught us anything it's that people can see BS in arguments from a mile away

What about the Brexit debate could possibly make you think that?

[bengillies]

The bit where nobody bothered to listen to what experts were saying on the basis that both sides spent much of their time lying. If arguments that are counter to people's preconceived opinions are full of holes and exaggeration then they're really easy to dismiss imho.