[Joeboy]

I don't think her statement actually says "real people don't need end-to-end encryption". I'm not sure what she is saying though. Not banning end-to-end encryption, not asking for back doors, but having "mature conversations" that have something to do with trade-offs between usability and security. What?

[konradb]

These conversations are about being able to decrypt the conversations without using the term backdoor. The government will see them as mature if it is given access.