[empath75]

People go to prison for it all the time. It's as real as any other crime.

If you are acting in a way that's indistinguishable from someone who is attempting to hide evidence of a crime, don't be surprised when people think you are doing something wrong.

[jnbiche]

> If you are acting in a way that's indistinguishable from someone who is attempting to hide evidence of a crime, don't be surprised when people think you are doing something wrong.

Do you apply this kind of reasoning to encrypted communications? If not, why not?

[MichaelGG]

I mean it's a made up victimless crime that only serves prosecutors. It's on the moral level of asset seizure and worse than "crimes" like wire fraud.

Prosecutors are free to think someone's doing something wrong. Investigators might be able to get warrants under such suspicions (iffy but perhaps acceptable). But they should need to find actual wrongdoing to be able to convict people, and this last part is what is lacking today.

[konschubert]

It is only money laundering if is done with money that is the result of a crime.

Just like a trader is only a fence when he trades stolen good.

Therefore, by definition, money laundering is assisting a crime. If the crime had a victim, then, by proxy, laundering the money of the crime is not victimless either.

[jnbiche]

This is absolutely not true, at least in the US. If you are a business that transmits even 100% lawful funds without registering with FINCEN and registration as a MSB in your jurisdiction, you can and will be charged with money laundering.

Also, using your argument about money laundering, what about a restaurant that serves mostly mafioso, but never engages in any unlawful activity themselves. They are providing food to criminals, which is even more critical to their criminal enterprise. After all, the mafia can't commit crimes if they can't eat, right? And they are paid with funds that result from crimes. By your analogy, the restaurant owner is assisting in a crime. So should that restaurant owner be charged with some kind of new crime? (like money laundering is a relatively new crime that has been created over the past 50 years) Like, criminal gastronomy, feeding in the 3rd degree, or something?

[MichaelGG]

Simply not true. Look up Hawala, a money transfer system that's been around for over 1000 years. Use it in the US and be prepared to deal with money laundering charges, regardless of the lack of crime. Or just try having your small business make repeated $9000 deposits of completely legit and clean money.

Money laundering is now about not reporting all your financial movements to the government. It's surpassed the even controversial idea of using it against criminals in lieu of real crimes.

[jnbiche]

> Money laundering is now about not reporting all your financial movements to the government.

It's surprising how many people are unaware of this, even on a forum composed of fairly informed people like HN.

[mirimir]

Right, and if you're lucky, they'll just steal all your money.