[landon32]

> For Nature to learn how to develop a nervous system capable of flexibly interacting with the environment, culminating in our brains, took hundreds of millions of years.

Nature never learned anything. Nature is not a force that chooses what features it wants to implement in living things. We evolve in periods of punctuated equilibrium, when the average individual within a population cannot reproduce successfully. Then species change very quickly(sometimes sub-1000 years) to fit their environment. We're not sure why humans evolved to be so intelligent, but one possible reason is that our environment was changing very quickly, so quickly that we had to change our core behaviors within the course of a life time.

It can be very confusing to anthropomorphize Nature. Since Nature never tried to make intelligence, the speed at which intelligence evolved in Nature is pretty irrelevant to the difficulty of the problem of intelligence.

[meric]

Are you nature? Did you learn? Are you not a force?

It's true nature never "tried" anything except to keep going but I posit it does learn, it's memory is our genes and our own memory, and we are the effect of it's force. I also don't see man and nature as separate. If we created AGI, then nature created AGI. AGI can look back and say the step from biological to machine was akin to single to multi celled organisms.

[landon32]

Yeah that's interesting, it does have some kind of memory with all the genes we have. I mostly just meant that Nature is not an intelligent agent with an agenda (unless you believe that in a spiritual way, which is cool too).

>If we created AGI, then nature created AGI. AGI can look back and say the step from biological to machine was akin to single to multi celled organisms. I do think it's interesting to consider AGI as a similar step from single to multi celled organism, but I also feel like if we consider everything manmade as part of nature, the term nature doesn't really mean anything. If it refers to all man-made things as well as all non man-made things, it kinda just becomes a synonym for "things"