[moultano]

What's frustrating is that lots of people will superficially disagree at 5 and seem reasonable, but if you dig a little deeper, they actually disagree at 1 and you are wasting your time.

It's unfortunately my prior at this point. The people with uninformed objections at 1 are a much larger group than people who agree with 1:n-1 and can have a nuanced discussion of n.

[librvf]

The problem is that people at level 1 are currency for the people who disagree at level 5. High-level partisans on both sides rely on propaganda and rhetoric to sway the lowest common denominator for support. Most of those people are not making up their minds about what to believe based on the scientific validity of the evidence. They're simply going with their gut.