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by KirinDave 3251 days ago
> because I find it so often creates an US-vs-THEM mentality.

Maybe if workplaces were not deliberately enforcing a men-at-the-expense-of-women social norm, this notion wouldn't exist.

> Consider Japan

No, I'd rather not. A reductive analysis of Japan's workplace dynamics isn't helpful here.
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alexandercrohde 3251 days ago
I find your response dismissive and counterproductive.

I don't understand on what basis you can discount the realities of alternative cultures.

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KirinDave 3251 days ago
> I find your response dismissive and counterproductive.

Then you are perceptive. I have no interest in discussing the complex landscape of Japan's gender roles, historical context, current economic issues, their declining birthrate, and their intersection with the current prime minister.

We need not point to any of that to agree that this behavior reported in the article is indefensible.

Your first instinct upon hearing this is to say, "Yes, well, that seems inappropriate but really I think this isn't about how we treat women but how we treat engineers." Yet you follow through later in the thread with the contextually audacious claim that I'm overly dismissive?

Productivity here will be limited.

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alexandercrohde 3251 days ago
[I recognize at this point the topic has changed from gender to effective discourse on HN.]

> Your first instinct upon hearing this is to say, "Yes, well, that seems inappropriate but really I think this isn't about how we treat women but how we treat engineers." Yet you follow through later in the thread with the contextually audacious claim that I'm overly dismissive?

I definitely did not say that. Perhaps you should reread what I did say: that we have a choice of how to interpret things like this. I'm sensing that you think if one doesn't interpret this as sexist that this is somehow an attack on women, because you seem really defensive.

I'd also challenge you to examine your own motivations, because if you think this short back-and-forth has furthered a cause it has only served to reinforce my caution in trying to intellectually engage on prickly topics [and make snarky "triggered" jokes amongst friends / reddit].

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