[chrismccord]

Phoenix creator here. The techmeme results are not representative of the framework. Several months ago they added Phoenix in a preview, but it was a very poor implementation. They were testing JSON benchmarks through the :browser pipeline, complete with crsf token generation. They had a dev DB pool size of 10, where other frameworks were given of pool size of 100. And they also had heavy IO logging, where other frameworks did no logging. We sent a PR to address these issues, and I was hoping to see true results in the subsequent runs, but no preview was provided this time and we weren't able to work with them on the error rate issues they ran into. After these experiences we've decided the core-team's time is better spent on the framework than chasing techmeme issues. If you go by real-world success stories from companies switching from Django, Rails, etc, you can certainly expect much better.

[awj]

> The techmeme results are not representative of the framework.

I've seen several instances of this, now. Some Rails benchmarks jumped up pretty high as well when they managed to get someone to competently configure Puma. Practically the same story, just changing out names.

Take techempower benchmarks with a boatload of salt. Not only are they not particularly representative of your real world use cases, they apparently are often not representative of competent use of the tools they're benchmarking.

Hopefully this is an issue the techempower people figure out some way to address. It would be nice if this was a more trustworthy resource.

[alberth]

Awesome response. Maybe to put the naysayers to rest you guys can update

http://www.phoenixframework.org/blog/the-road-to-2-million-w...

[pjungwir]

Okay, thanks for the reply. I asked about this benchmark once before (almost a year ago I expect), and was told roughly the same, so I was hoping things had improved by now. I understand it's just a benchmark and you have other things to do, but it does matter to me and I expect others. None of us want to invest a lot of time becoming experts in a new world and then not gain what we hoped. Personally these benchmarks make me think if I'm going to trade dev time for performance I should just use Rocket. That's probably not a reasonable position though. :-) Anyway, thank you for Phoenix, and I will look for opportunities to give it another spin.