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by trymas 3255 days ago
> If you work at Google __everything you make__, even in your spare time, belongs to them.

Okay, google makes software and if you make software on your spare time maybe it's reasonable that company does not want to leak IP and thus produces these contracts.

But what about these stupid examples:

- Building a backyard deck for your house - Taking pictures as a hobby - Doing woodworking (e.g. making a chair and a table for your home office) - etc..

So with this contract, Goggle owns my deck, desk, chair and a picture of these items, because I produced them on my spare time? Will horde of lawyers will come to my house and take my deck, desk, chair and picture of those items, because I used them while working remotely and bought tools to build them with the salary they payed me?

Even if those examples are completely rubbish and won't stand in court for Google, it's still absurd idea. You get payed salary for your time and work - that's it! That's where Google's power ends. After hours you go home and it's bullshit that they can own your personal work done on your own freetime at your private property with private tools and your own ideas. If they want to own everything then they should pay hourly average times 24hours , times 365 days per year as a salary, because I am giving all my time and work for them, while I am in contract with them.

EDIT: quote from Google's Personal Projects (IARC) [1]:

> Because Google’s business interests are so wide and varied, this likely applies to any personal project you have. That includes new development on personal projects you created prior to employment at Google.

Well that's just messed up.

[1] https://opensource.google.com/docs/iarc/

2 comments

Errr. Decks are not intellectual property, for starters.

"Even if those examples are completely rubbish and won't stand in court for Google, it's still absurd idea. You get payed salary for your time and work - that's it! That's where Google's power ends. After hours you go home and it's bullshit that they can own your personal work done on your own freetime at your private property with private tools and your own ideas. If they want to own everything then they should pay hourly average times 24hours , times 365 days per year as a salary, because I am giving all my time and work for them, while I am in contract with them. "

You are sorely confused about the state of the law in the US. In the US, in most states, it doesn't even have to be written into an employment contract. The employer will simply own the IP, period.

I really don't think this is the case.

Check out the top comment from @grellas here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2208056

At the end, he mentions that general statements never apply to everybody, and unique situations vary. Additionally, in California the law protects moreso than other states.

You are certainly welcome to think as you like.

but grellas doesn't actually disagree with me anywhere?

FWIW: I'm also an IP attorney, and among other things, have been doing "invention assignment" work for quite a while. I'm very familiar with the employment law situation in california, and this area in particular.

" Additionally, in California the law protects moreso than other states."

I didn't say it didn't? I said it's not as good as people seem to think

> it __doesn't even have to be written into__ an employment contract.

well I am glad I am not working in US then..

Building a baby?