[Frogolocalypse]

> do you think 13KB/s AT MOST is too much for your internet connection

You've quoted this number many times now, and it is completely incorrect. The upload bandwidth required for a full node with eight peers is an absolute minimum of 0.39mbps/mb of block size.

The things you're saying are the kind of things that people who really don't have any clue of the resources required by a node would say. In fact, it's pretty clear you don't run a node, have never run a node, and will never run a node. So your opinion as to the security requirements of bitcoin should be viewed in that context.

[CyberDildonics]

That is what it would take to sync with the chain.

> The upload bandwidth required for a full node with eight peers is an absolute minimum of 0.39mbps/mb of block size.

That doesn't make any sense, it depends on how many people are downloading from you. By the way, you do realize that millions of people upload and download far more than this from torrents right? How can you even say these things with a straight face, they make no sense.

> The things you're saying are the kind of things that people who really don't have any clue of the resources required by a node would say.

You keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about, but I run half a dozen unlimited and classic nodes, they cost next to nothing. I run one off my phone with a 256GB micro sd card.

Do you really think you can't pay $15 USD per month and run even a single full node? A node doesn't even come REMOTELY close to taking up the resources of the cheapest VPS out there. How can anyone take you seriously when you say things like this?

[Frogolocalypse]

> > The upload bandwidth required for a full node with eight peers is an absolute minimum of 0.39mbps/mb of block size.

> That doesn't make any sense

To you, I'm sure that's the case. Good thing the people who actually maintain the network through the validation of full nodes have a better understanding than you.

> the cheapest VPS out there.

So your solution to pressures of centralization is to use a centralized service for decentralization?

[CyberDildonics]

> To you, I'm sure that's the case. Good thing the people who actually maintain the network through the validation of full nodes have a better understanding than you.

I said it depends on how many people are connected and that it is such a trivial amount that it barely matters. Do you want to confront that?

> So your solution to pressures of centralization is to use a centralized service for decentralization?

How is -one option- to running a full node by paying for a cheap VPS centralization in any respect?

After you explain that, why don't you explain how there is so much torrent traffic zipping around the internet if this is such a big problem. Before streaming video and netflix, torrents were a major part of the internet's bandwidth. Completely decentralized and on a completely different scale of bandwidth, even over a decade ago. Are you going to explain why that was possible and this is impossible?

[Frogolocalypse]

> I said it depends on how many people are connected and that it is such a trivial amount that it barely matters.

And I provided evidence that contradicts that unfounded belief.

> How is -one option- to running a full node by paying for a cheap VPS centralization in any respect?

If you have to explain that, you don't even have a concept of what decentralization means.

> why don't you explain how there is so much torrent traffic zipping

Because people don't care if their torrent takes a few hours to download, where in a multi-agent system with rigorous consensus rules, it's important that nodes are aligned as quickly as possible, because bitcoin block-propagation is an adversarial system that leads to orphaning, and potential loss of funds, when nodes aren't aligned. Yet again, to have to explain this O.o

You really don't understand this bitcoin thing at all. Like at all.

[CyberDildonics]

This all boils down to you trying hard not to say anything so you don't have to confront the hard numbers I gave you. You keep saying 'you don't understand' but that rings pretty hollow when you can't give any evidence that anything I've said is wrong.