[JoeCoder_]

Why not develop tox instead, which is open source, end to end encrypted, on more platforms, and seemingly further along in general?

[hannob]

Maybe because tox is developed by people who don't know what they're doing.

Money quote from a tox dev: "Tox provides some strong security guarantees. We haven't got to the point where we can enumerate them properly, given the general lack of understanding of the code and specification."

https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore/issues/426

[secfirstmd]

Briar is also e2e and open source. It also has a ton of mesh networking features that Tox doesn't have.

[sldoliadis]

Can you say a bit ore about the mesh network features of Briar?

I've looked through a lot of the documentation and can't find anything other than references to bluetooth and wi-fi, which is opaque to me.

I'm kind of wondering about something like briar, but that can connect over a cjdns network if available... is that what it's doing?

[cyphar]

I once tried to read their "protocol documentation" and realised that it was effectively non-existant and the only way to understand what was going on was to read the toxcore code which was written by 4chan.

I'm not a crypto expert, but I also personally wouldn't put much stock in the security of their protocol or implementation.

[vonuebelgarten]

I have the impression Tox withered and died, which is really sad considering how usable (when compared to alternatives) it is.

[sldoliadis]

FWIW, the git repository looks like it was worked on within the last couple of days.