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by Kadin 5830 days ago
> Is it really healthy for Silicon Valley if Apple has a factory cranking out iPhones in Cupertino

You're begging the question; there is a country beyond Silicon Valley, and Grove's argument is that what is best for Silicon Valley (meaning, the bottom lines of a few tech firms which together only employ a small percentage of the U.S. population) isn't necessarily what is best for the country as a whole.

Put more directly, it's not clear that there are enough IP-based jobs to keep the United States at or near full employment. To do that, which we need for social stability, because high unemployment is intensely corrosive, we need to capture some of those manufacturing jobs. And it might be worth doing things that hurt tech companies' profitability in the short term -- taxing outsourced manufacturing, for instance -- in order to achieve that.

If we don't, the "rational business climate" might drive all the manufacturing overseas, leaving the U.S. with a very small number of employed people doing the design work, and hordes of disaffected, unemployable people with nothing to do. As you point out, once you have the production line set up in China, it makes sense to just scale it out there rather than build a second one here.

The long-term social effects of such a 90/10 split would be very bad, and would in all likelihood eventually make it very hard to be very profitable at all. So it might make sense for IP-centric design companies to take a short-term hit and try to maintain something closer to full employment, lest they find themselves first up against the wall when the welfare proletariat they created revolts.

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Suppose, hypothetically, that we really do reach a stage where we have a small number of highly productive individuals and a large number of unskilled people without manufacturing work to do.

In that case, it is likely that the skilled will hire the unskilled as servants, making the skilled people even more productive (every hour spent doing laundry is an hour spent not designing the latest iPhone). People will probably also work fewer hours, and take productivity gains in the form of leisure rather than money.

If there's ever a situation where the majority of Americans are working as mere servants for the wealthy, I think simply taking the wealthy's money and redistributing it will be the more likely outcome, and that's if it's done peacefully. A situation like India's, where there's such huge income inequality that there's strongly differentiated classes, between the servants and the people who have lots of servants, isn't sustainable. People are only willing to protect the prerogatives of the wealthy if they think that overall the system is reasonably fair, supports opportunity and income mobility, has benefits trickle down substantially to everyone, etc.
Y'know, if you really think that's inevitable, you could <i>try</i> living in the Third World for a while and see how well that works out for you.