[jsjohnst]

> I completely disagree with every single sentence you've just written.

Well then, I'm very sorry to say, you don't understand what values mean or simply are just going for broke on being argumentative. GP did a better job than I explaining why you were mistaken on what a value is in this context, if you refuse to accept it, that's your right. Just realize you're risking coming off as someone who thinks the earth is flat.

[logicallee]

you agree that a company's policies don't tell you anything about whether it's good to work there? "If you clock in to work even 1 minute late even a single time, you are not eligible for your bonus that month" is a real policy I've actually heard about. it doesn't tell me anything about working there?

You guys don't know what a policy is. you (jsjonst) think it's "follow all applicable laws" which subsume anything illegal like harassment over some protected status. so you think no company needs any specific policy about anything related to that.

your parent thinks policies don't say anything about what it's like to work somewhere.

you both think there are no values that are unambiguously good and whose alternative no one adopts or would adopt, but which are meaningful to adopt. To me "meaningfully adopt" means "immediately add actionable, objective policies everyone can follow" to. to me, that's how you adopt a value. through policies. to you two, there is no relationship between the two.

I simply disagree with both of you.

we have nothing further to talk about. we are too far apart.

I can agree to disagree with the two of you without calling you flat-Earthers.

we just have completely different opinions.