[allendoerfer]

After WWI, there was the League of Nations, to avoid the next war. WWII helped to realize, that stronger ties were needed.

Council of Europe with Ukraine and Russia in it. Are you joking? Ask someone from Ukraine or the Baltics, how they feel about the safety of territorial integrity.

I would say, better be safe than sorry in this case.

[ZenoArrow]

Please read what I said again in relation to war in the region...

"A problem solved by NATO and the OSCE."

Did I mention the Council of Europe in relation to war? No I did not.

[allendoerfer]

One could argue, that fear of NATO made the Ukrainian war happen in the first place. Anyway, point still stands: We need more international unity, not less, since there is war in Europe, and the EU is arguably the closest tie between countries.

[ZenoArrow]

> "One could argue, that fear of NATO made the Ukrainian war happen in the first place."

One could also argue fear of Ukraine joining the EU made the Ukrainian war happen in the first place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union...

"Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that members of the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia may impose what he called protective measures in the event of trade liberalization between Ukraine and the EU. The EU condemned Russia's threats, calling them unacceptable. Ukrainian Prime Minister Mykola Azarov urged Russia "to accept the reality of Ukraine signing the EU agreement" and condemned any artificial barriers as pointless."

"After the economic part of the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement was signed on 27 June 2014 (by the new President Petro Poroshenko) Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that making Ukraine choose between Russia and the EU would split the country in two."

Note that the military action taken by Russia started only a few months later, in November 2014:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_...