[eropple]

> Also you certainly can't port a complex monolith to microservices

Upvoted you, but I disagree with a little. "Microservices" tend to pathological cases, but you 100% can segment a monolithic apps into services. Each module in your application has an interface. Behind that interface, replace it with network calls that fulfill the interface's contracts. (If your monolith doesn't have sections that encapsulate work--well...kinda did it to yourself, but that IME is rare.)

[staofbur]

You can, hence my comment about silos. The interface is rarely well defined enough to be able to abstract it over a network boundary from experience. One of the things I see in a lot of monoliths is leaky abstractions and they are really difficult to reign in.

We tend to go for throwing related web front and and API endpoints into the same ball of mud silo and back end that directly with the storage and cache services. We scale those silos up and partition across tenants too. I think a couple of the silos are around the 1 million LoC size now as well.

[eropple]

Fair enough. In places where I've had to deal with that, I was in the code review seat ahead of time and was generally able to go "no no no, let's not do that"--but I can see how stuff can decay.

[staofbur]

I'm always late to the party. I'm the cleanup team :)

[to3m]

> Behind that interface, replace it with network calls that fulfill the interface's contracts

Just like that?!

You can encapsulate work fine, without making microservices at all easy to retrofit. There's a big difference between calling a function that does something and returns a result, and calling a function that does nothing until you've gone back to the main loop to handle network input.

(You can confront many of these issues by implementing your services as threads from day 1. Decoupling request and response is a major issue, and this will force you to do that straight away. The other issues associated with moving from single process to multiple processes are fairly minor by comparison.)

[srtjstjsj]

> There's a big difference between calling a function that does something and returns a result, and calling a function that does nothing until you've gone back to the main loop to handle network input.

the difference is latency, so of course you put extreme low-latency operations inside the same service.

[fishnchips]

That. Most folks understand services as separate codebases, running as separate deployments. My take is that they are logical entities to a degree where their physical implementation is irrelevant to their clients.