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by type0 3265 days ago
Well if they do ban encryption they probably would still use it themselves (government, politicians). That would literally mean different laws for different people. Fight it on the basis of that. Remember how France tried to outlaw the encryption in the 90s and it didn't work because government servers were also using it.
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nl 3265 days ago
Well if they do ban encryption they probably would still use it themselves (government, politicians).

That's not being proposed here.

Fight it on the basis of that.

So, again, a mistake. Understand the fight you are in.

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Strom 3265 days ago
That's not being proposed here.

It may not be explicitly proposed, but I'd wager it's still implicitly there. Definitely for army/police, but probably for ruling class as well.

So, again, a mistake. Understand the fight you are in.

Understanding the fight you're in is definitely key. I don't know enough about the Australian people, but I know that reframing the situation in a way where another privilege is taken away from the common folk, but will still be there for the ruling class -- this would motivate a lot of people to rally against the proposal where I live.

In addition, in the age of Trump & co, it should be clear to everyone that facts don't matter. I mean we have the PM himself saying here that math doesn't work in Australia. It's completely possible to reframe the whole discussion in a myriad of ways that aren't based in reality. Use fake news & propaganda to move the needle in favor of encryption. One could argue that this undermines the greater goal of having a fact respecting society, but it's irrational to claim that such tactics won't work for achieving narrower goals like saving encryption.

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TheSpiceIsLife 3265 days ago
I mean we have the PM himself saying here that math doesn't work in Australia.

He didn't say that.

He said math can't prevent you from being charged with an offence; math can't bestow upon you protection from the law; math can't grant you a legal privilege.

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type0 3264 days ago
> math can't grant you a legal privilege

It wouldn't grant you anything you would become a criminal if you use the certain math regardless of the motives. Why don't we prohibit certain kind of music as well (let's say hard rock since terrorists might listen to it), and french baguettes and humus because they might eat those, etc.

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TheSpiceIsLife 3264 days ago
It's not clear to me what the point of this comment is.

What certain math usage would cause criminality?

You would become a criminal if you used certain kinds of music and baguettes regardless of motives?

I don't get the connection.

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nl 3264 days ago
PM himself saying here that math doesn't work in Australia.

I really, really don't know what to say to this. Read the thread.

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kabdib 3265 days ago
If it's not in there now, it almost certainly will be.

[As a model, firearms restrictions in the US nearly always lift restrictions for current or retired law enforcement officers and military]

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