[buckbova]

"Americans will die needless deaths"

when they're on long wait lists for procedures because of a glut on resources

when they no longer have access to the high quality care they once had

when there's a greater shortage of quality nurses and doctors because of diminished pay

when innovation is stifled because R&D is funded by the government

[magicalist]

One is happening right now, the other has a ton of evidence in every other developed country that the downsides are workable.

Yes it will be complicated, and yes, even if healthcare is guaranteed to all, profit motive is still an important driver for efficiency and innovation.

All of that, but it's still irrelevant to your dismissal of actual deaths due to our healthcare system as "appeal to emotion nonsense".

[DrScump]

  because of a glut on resources

Did you mean a run on resources? Or maybe a shortage of resources?

[buckbova]

Yes. We'll go with "dearth of resources." Thanks.