[CamperBob2]

Unless you own taxi medallions, I don't really see much cause for celebration. Unnecessary regulation is unnecessary.

Edit: due to aggressive rate limiting on HN's part, I'm not able to respond to those who have chosen to reply rather than downvote. What I'd say in such a reply is this: despite all of the advantages of regulated taxi services that people are citing, rideshare services are still winning in the marketplace. Have you ever thought about possible reasons for that?

Clearly people aren't being forced to use Uber, and just as clearly, they shouldn't be forced not to.

[k-mcgrady]

Taxi drivers in my European country are subject to some requirements that make a lot of sense and help keep people safe. I've user Uber a lot and it's great but anything to up the quality of drivers is good. I've been down one way streets multiple times in Uber's, I've been in multiple near-misses, I've never had these things happen to me in taxi's. Not all taxi drivers are great either but the even the bad ones are better than the average Uber driver.

Obviously this is all city specific but I think a valid counter point to the 'unnecessary regulation' argument at least where I live.

[fpgaminer]

> I've been down one way streets multiple times in Uber's, I've been in multiple near-misses

What exactly is it about a taxi license that would affect that behavior? And shouldn't those regulations apply to _every_ driver?

[stale2002]

If you really believe this, then why not let consumers decide for themselves which transportation services that they want to use?

If all these rules and regulations are so awesome, then consumers will overwhelming choose to buy from companies that follow them.

Thats how markets work.

[Veratyr]

Because individuals won't make decisions that benefit society as a whole. They'll make decisions that benefit themselves and themselves alone.

People will simply use whatever's cheapest and easiest without much thought into anything else.

[CamperBob2]

So, all I have to do to impose my will on you is to insist, backed by little to no evidence, that highly-regulated taxis "benefit society" more than less-regulated rideshare services do. Correct?

It seems that the people who determine what does and does not "benefit society" have a significant amount of unwarranted power. If this weren't true, we wouldn't be seeing cases like this one where the people -- the same ones that supposedly make up the democracy in question -- insist on using unauthorized/illegal rideshare services.

If your response to my reasoning is, "Well, it's a democracy after all, they're getting what they voted for," then the contradiction is too obvious to bother pointing out.

[Veratyr]

My point was intended more as a general one, that you can't simply assume what the market chooses is actually the best choice, as individual market participants have different priorities to the collective.

> So, all I have to do to impose my will on you is to insist, backed by little to no evidence, that highly-regulated taxis "benefit society" more than less-regulated rideshare services do. Correct?

No, the regulations predate Uber. Uber needs to either change the law through lobbying or adhere to it.

> It seems that the people who determine what does and does not "benefit society" have a significant amount of unwarranted power. If this weren't true, we wouldn't be seeing cases like this one where the people -- the same ones that supposedly make up the democracy in question -- insist on using unauthorized/illegal rideshare services.

> If your response to my reasoning is, "Well, it's a democracy after all, they're getting what they voted for," then the contradiction is too obvious to bother pointing out.

What we have isn't democracy, it's representative democracy, which addresses exactly the problem I was originally making. The masses can't be expected to make informed decisions on everything that concerns them, so they elect a few people who can on their behalf.

When an average person decides Uber vs. Taxi, in the 10s or so they spend thinking about it, they're not considering the impact it'll have on the local economy, the safety features of the vehicle, the qualifications the driver is required to have or the regulations they're required to adhere to. All your average person thinks about is that the Uber app is already on their phone, the car will arrive quickly and in the grand scheme of things, the likelihood of something bad happening is small.

Elected representatives will listen to experts, consider the wider impacts of their decision and do their best to make a decision that benefits their constituents. Sometimes that decision will conflict with what their constituents would choose themselves.

[CamperBob2]

And people wonder why a Reagan or a Trump or a Brexit appeals to so many voters.

Just because you can regulate something doesn't mean it's always a net win for society to do so. The EU definitely seems to have missed this particular clue.

[k-mcgrady]

>> Thats how markets work.

No, that's how markets are _supposed_ to work but we don't live in a world of perfect competition where completely free markets work without flaws.

[fiatjaf]

So use taxi, if you like it so much. Keeping people "safe" against their will and with money from their own pockets is evil, to say the least.

[izacus]

EU countries are democratic. It's not against people's will.

[IncRnd]

Your comment highlights the notable problem with democracies. Unfortunately, there isn't much better.

[fiatjaf]

That is the craziest statement I've ever read.

[Veratyr]

> despite all of the advantages of regulated taxi services that people are citing, rideshare services are still winning in the marketplace. Have you ever thought about possible reasons for that?

It's pretty simple why they win in the marketplace: They're cheaper and easier to use.

There are a number of problems that riders aren't likely to think about though:

- Uber drivers can earn less than minimum wage

- They don't have to pass the same tests and adhere to the same regulations as taxis

- Their vehicles aren't built with the same safety features as taxis (for example the screen protecting the driver or the camera in the back)

It's the role of government to act in the people's best interest and that will often mean acting against the market.

Uber could likely operate without breaking the law by simply calling taxis with their app (and from memory it actually did exactly that in Germany once) but that wouldn't make them nearly as much money.

[collyw]

In what way is Uber not a taxi service? How do you feel it differs to the end user?

[greglindahl]

To any New Yorker, Uber is a black car service... you can't hail an Uber on the street. And the current compromise between Uber and NYC is that Uber cars are licensed exactly like black cars. Done.

(You actually refer to the street hail thing in one of your other comments, surprised you didn't mention that here.)

[alkonaut]

Just to straighten out the terminology: Let's say "Taxi" (at least for the context of this discussion) is a car that takes someone somewhere the passenger decides, for money.

It doesn't matter whether you hail it on the street or book it elsewhere. Taxi is a paid car. By that definition in NYC all black cars, yellow cabs, Ubers etc are Taxis.

That weird US regional laws have made a whole family of terms for this simple service just makes this discussion muddy (as you might have noticed).

What this news article is about and what is already obvious is that Uber is Taxi because they take people places for money.

[kuschku]

Same in Germany, but Uber wanted to be licensed like a web service, not like a black car service, and argued that instead each driver is operating a black car service, and they should be responsible for insurance.

[collyw]

Sounds like what we have in the UK as "minicabs" as opposed to "black cabs" that you can hail on the street. Both are considered taxis.

[fiatjaf]

It is not a cartel protected by the government against external competitors.

[alkonaut]

I think people are conflating two different things: medallion systems (bad) and other regulation (good)

Saying Uber should follow regulations that other taxi companies follow is just common sense imho. That includes minimum pay, insurance regulation, background checks, training requirements, employment security etc.

That some cities regulate the number of taxis via medallions or monopolies is a related but different topic. I find that practice very strange, and that I hope will be gone in most places soon. The irony though is that cities that don't have medallion systems are tougher markets for Uber because there Uber doesn't have the same obvious edge.

[celticninja]

Medallions are a US thing. In the EU generally it is driving and background checks that are required, not the payment of an arbitrary sum to some regulatory body.

[walshemj]

well it means I might not have to pay as much tax if these loopholes avoiding the companies side of the social bargain