[TeMPOraL]

> The problem with the JVM is that the UI toolkits are dying or died already.

Wait, what? I'm pretty sure native UI toolkits are holding up fine. They did fall off the hipster train, true, but that doesn't mean they're dying.

On JVM, maybe it's time to retire Swing, but JavaFX is alive and kicking.

[hexa00]

I could be wrong but I don't see JavaFX as alive and kicking... Especially compared to web technologies. And it's tied to Oracle pretty much...

[jameskegel]

No need for name calling; you both have your points.