[jstimpfle]

There isn't a 1:1 mapping of binaries to documentation or completion scripts. That idea won't work out.

"Defining a standard format" hasn't been a successful practice in the Unix world. Many standards consist essentially of the bare minimum that everybody can agree with.

Unix command-line interfaces are already structured (as a list of strings), and more structure would be hard to support at the binary level. There are too many possibilities of doing that, and most CLI programs wouldn't even need that.

[yorwba]

If the binary is using one of a few common libraries, e.g. GNU getopt, to read its command-line parameters, it should be possible to extract somewhat useful completions automatically.

Then you are essentially relying on the de-facto standard of not rolling your own argument parsing, as opposed to some product of a standards committee.

[johnny22]

fish shell does it with manpages https://fishshell.com/docs/current/commands.html#fish_update...

[jstimpfle]

Getopt is just barely flexible enough to be applicable to many projects while still encoding some conventions (dash-prefixed options and optional arguments).

Still it's too opinionated to be applicable to all programs. And it's by far not structured enough to support automated completions.

Every programmer goes through this phase of trying to abstract what can't be abstracted. Essentially for non-trivial programs you need to encode what you want yourself. You can't write a library that is suitable for the infinitely many thinkable programs.

By the way, even handcoded completions are, often enough, more confusing than helpful to me (and not because they are handcoded). I've disabled them entirely.

[majewsky]

> By the way, even handcoded completions are, often enough, more confusing than helpful to me (and not because they are handcoded). I've disabled them entirely.

Huh? Can you give some examples? I'm on zsh, and except for broken auto-generated shell completions like that provided by ripgrep, I've found zsh completions to be incredibly competent. Much more competent than myself usually.

[jstimpfle]

I only know bash, but I doubt zsh can be so much better (yes, I know, they have colorful suggestions and better interactivity for selection).

The context sensitivity is just very confusing. Sometimes completion hangs, maybe because an SSH connection is made in the background, or the completion is just not very efficient.

Then sometimes I have a typo and get the weirdest suggestions and it's much harder to track down the error statically than just running the program and get a nice error message.

Then sometimes I am more intimate with the complexities of the command-line invocation than the completion script can appreciate, and get no completion, when all I need is just a stupid local file completion. This results in the (untrue) assumption a file wasn't there, which easily leads to further confusion.

No, thanks. I know how to use the tools that I use. Dear completion, just help me with the files on my disk (which is the fast-changing variable in the game) and let me type commands as I see fit.

[yorwba]

> I know how to use the tools that I use.

Interesting. I use too many different tools too rarely to remember all their options, so being able to type -, hit tab and see a list of possibilities with their descriptions is simply more frictionless than having to pull up the command's man page and search through it. The cases where the suggestions don't work don't bother me, because it just means I don't save time compared to no completions at all.