[emilk]

Some people will simply not engage in a project if there is no set code of conduct for it. The logic presumable being that even if there is no problem now, problem may come in the future, and a agreed upon code of conduct can nip such problems in the bud.

[teacup50]

Or create problems, since they give a huge amount of leverage to those interested in dominating others through purely institutional/bureaucratic power games.

[doomrobo]

Can you point to an instance of this in the Rust project or another comparable community?

[nickpsecurity]

Rust draws on Coraline Ada's Code of Conduct ("Contributor Covenant") which was straight-up designed to force politics on people. She's aggressively pushed it in as many places as possible so they can ban people later for essentially saying what people like her disagree with in any forum (not just project itself). Here's one mob attack over a Twitter comment that didn't work featuring her with appearance of a Rust team member appearing to throw in some support. At one point, the political attackers set the maintainer up to look like he or she supports pedophiles. Dirty, dirty tactics pushing politics that don't even necessarily represent the beliefs of those they claim to protect. People in minority groups have a wide range of beliefs with many contradicting what these "social-justice warriors" act like they believe. They'll censor them, too, if deemed necessary.

https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941

I don't follow the Rust conversations enough to tell you anything about what goes on there. That they adopt and enforce a Code of Conduct designed for censorship of non-believers in that cause with a few, strong supporters on the team is enough to worry anti-censorship people. Regardless of Rust project or somewhere else, we opponents block it on grounds of fighting forced compliance with political views with no consensus. Fighting political domination on forums that are supposed to be about tech. That its author has hit many places from Opal to Github means we prefer to block her CoC even more.

Rather have a Code of Merit with clauses for keeping things civil. Minimal to no politics: just project-focused code, docs, and support of people in project-related conversations. That's it.

https://github.com/rosarior/Code-of-Merit/blob/master/CODE_O...

[steveklabnik]

> Rust draws on Coraline Ada's Code of Conduct ("Contributor Covenant")

I have no idea what you're talking about. Rust's code of conduct is older than the Contributor Covenant, and we've modified it very, very slightly since its inception.

(I also disagree with the rest of your post as well, but that's offtopic and I don't particularly care to discuss it.)

[nickpsecurity]

Hmm. I may have assumed you used it because it's referenced in your Code of Conduct as source material. Googling it more gives me multiple sources:

1. Node.JS (semi-fitting of my post) and Contributor Covenant (target of my post) per current site.

2. Citizen Code of Conduct per Reddit. Looks just like Contributor with same provision that people must follow the politically-dominant group's rules on every forum or be blocked. It claims to be derived from Django Code of Conduct (partly-political/partly-good) and a feminism wiki. The latter mentions things like "Verbal comments that reinforce social structures of domination" with long list following to be subjectively evaluated according to their politics. Just like my post again.

So, even if your people did one before Contributor Covenant, it's similar to that pushed by the same kinds of people shoving politics down everyone's throat with some of the same content. My post still stands with the correction that you borrowed from different leftist, control-freak politicians initially with minimal modification from the one I mentioned. Each of the source are very clear about their political agenda and intended censorship.

[steveklabnik]

I had actually forgotten about that citation at the bottom; it was adding two words: "gender identity."

[Sir_Substance]

Which is why I go out of my way to avoid projects that feel the need to wave their codes of conduct like flags.

No matter how egalitarian your code of conduct is, there's no substitute for not being a shitty person.

[galangalalgol]

Yes! It is similar to how no amount of software process can protect you from one bad team member. Also, somehow that bad team/forum member always ends up being the person to use those processes or codes of conduct to crush others.