[paulmd]

Pentests aren't a magic bullet either. You can easily find a consultant who isn't going to rip you a new one.

Security is a mindset. Any "checklist" approach will eventually devolve into ass-covering by an organization that is not internally motivated to run a tight ship. Legitimate variances will be hassled to no end, while actual security vulnerabilities will be ignored.

[sillysaurus3]

In the real world, one of the only reasons people get pentests is because another company is forcing them to. That results in a document saying company B is secure.

This is a very effective approach at cutting through ass-covering. Company B has to fix the security problems uncovered in the pentest. There is no other option. And I've seen it take products from "SQL injection by typing an apostrophe" to "It'd be very difficult to exploit this app."

If that's not proof that pentsts are effective, then I'm not sure what would be.

We like to say that security is a mindset, but developers have way too much on their mind to be aware of every possible security vector. It's easier and more effective to punt and let us worry about it instead.

[Consultant32452]

There's different levels of penetration testing too. I worked at a SaaS startup and when we got our first big customer they demanded we get a third party to run a pen test on us. They basically ran their script and gave us a report. There might have been some minimal going back and forth about some false positives, but that was about it. That's better than nothing, but may not be what some of the more technically/security minded folks here at would consider a real pen test.