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>It's genuinely horrifying how much you seem to enjoy the thought of imprisoning or humiliating those who disagree with you.

It's genuinely hilarious how much you seem to take everything at face value. Better keep my gulag jokes then. To be completely fair, ideally, I wouldn't wish that on anyone. If we could have a perfectly functioning society, where everyone understands the value of collaborating, I would not want to have to do that. I really don't.

Unfortunately, privation of freedom, is in 99% of the cases the only thing that works with this kind of people. You could try explaining, in depth, the value of contributing to a greater purpose than just amassing wealth for you and your family, but in the end, you're very likely to just end up facing a brick wall. The choices are either waiting until they leave your society (which they won't, because they enjoy the benefits it brings while still wanting to not contribute), or making them respect the rules.

> I suspect that this is a result of cognitive dissonance: you realise that you cannot rebut their arguments rationally, and thus wish to 'rebut' them physically, by appeals to the majority.

I could suspect you're full of shit, but that doesn't get us very far. You seem to be believing that only your (or their) arguments are rational. Mine, however, are not because... it goes against your view of the world, I guess ?

>51% of the people can vote to piss in the cornflakes of the other 49%. That doesn't make it right.

Since you want to start making parallels, let's take these at face value too then. This implies that:

a) Only a 51% percent majority wishes our society to be this way. Which is blatantly false. b) You are part of this enlightened 49%. And dear God, if that isn't the mother of all cognitive dissonances.

When it comes to this subject, you are a minority. You are a blip on the radar. Worse yet, this is nefarious and actively harming society.

I impatiently await the inevitable "So it is okay to harm minorities as long as the majority wants it? What about slavery?" argument, which can be so easily refuted that it's not even fun.

I also impatiently await the "but rules are not fair right now, look at imprisonment of black people in the US" argument, which is already answered by the previous "Fix your damn system, don't burn it down" answer. Yes, it isn't fair. Yet people fought for things before. People fought against laws that were unjust. And when they were truly unjust, these people usually won. Do the same thing with your convictions. Maybe in fifteen years, you'll have won.