[rensgspzn]

Wish I could upvote this comment 1000x.

pikzen said:

> We live in societies with rules, with laws that we have agreed upon, and are, for the most part, fair.

Please review the highlights of the last ~150 years of American history. If you need a very long list of examples that contradict your statement, I'd be happy to oblige.

[pikzen]

Yet those laws are mostly not there anymore. And we are pushing forward. We _are_ making a fairer society for everyone. And yes, the US is late on that. Look to Europe for better examples.

You're advocating for throwing down all that's on the table and burning everything, because you want your money. I'm trying to make society go forward and improve life for everyone.

Please review the highlights of what an organised society has brought us. If you need a very long list of examples of how selfish, greedy people has damaged our world, just look outside your window.

[Jabanga]

Loads of new laws have been created that go backwards. For example, laws in the banking and finance sector that violate privacy rights and create a mass surveillance situation in the name of fighting terrorism have been increasing since the 1970s, with the passing of the Banking Secrecy Act, and especially since 2001. These same laws are excluding an ever greater percentage of the population from the most lucrative areas of the financial sector, thus exacerbating income inequality.

Laws against drug use have increased significantly since 150 years ago, resulting in the criminalisation of large numbers of people and industries.

Laws on occupations and food production have multiplied, resulting in millions being disenfranchised, and the economy being increasingly dominated by large professional outfits and agribusiness, respectively.

I would argue we have not moved forward in several major areas, and on the contrary have been regressing.

It is in spite of the increasing burden of the state that society has progressed, no because of it.

[Sone7]

>You're advocating for throwing down all that's on the table and burning everything, because you want your money. I'm trying to make society go forward and improve life for everyone.

Er, you really need to look back o'er this thread...