[jlarocco]

Seems like a waste of time for him to hold up that side of the argument. Even if he's 100% correct, what's he going to achieve? The changes aren't going into the kernel until they get past Linus, and for that to happen the patches need to meet the same standards as every other patch. It's not like he's going to lower the bar for one company.

[sangnoir]

> Even if he's 100% correct, what's he going to achieve? The changes aren't going into the kernel until they get past Linus

You are incorrectly assuming grsec guy wants the changes[1] in the mainline Linux kernel - this would destroy a huge fraction of the value proposition. In a follow-up message, Linus directly challenged them on how they intentionally make their patches hard to upstream (and how they complain about 'leeching' if someone does attempt to upstream - talk about lack of self-awareness).

1. He might not mind old changes, but the quicker the new patches get upstreamed, the less valuable the patchset becomes for their paying clients

[detaro]

Same goes for Linus though. The "best" he can achieve is maybe stopping people from getting patches from grsecurity, which isn't a very productive use of his time either. Relations between these two camps have been poisoned long ago, unless someone with a budget decides it's worth paying grsecurity to help patch the mainline kernel I don't expect any change, and even then I wouldn't be surprised if that project fails.