[knz]

If you don't think Europe has a military industrial complex then you aren't paying attention - check out the list of countries here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companies_by_arms_sales).

During the Arab Spring there were multiple reports of European surveillence technology being fundamental to the police state in the Middle East/Africa (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40276568). Small arms made by H&K, Beretta, and FN etc are prevalent across the region. Advanced weapons like anti-aircraft systems also flood in from across the globe.

The UK, French, and Germans were also key supporters of Saddam Hussain during the Iran-Iraq War in the 80's and actively supported the WMD program there by supplying technology etc.

Every large power is involved in military manufacturing and seeks markets to sell too. Americans are no less ignorant to this than citizens in Europe, Russia, or Asia.

[CaptSpify]

Europe having an out of control military industrial complex doesn't negate the fact that the US has an out of control military industrial complex as well.

[azinman2]

I don’t know what an “in control” military-industrial complex looks like, but I don’t think the current situation is unique to the US by any means.

[CaptSpify]

I don't either. My point is that both can have an out of control system at the same time