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by estel 3275 days ago
I believe those are temperatures in the actual tunnels, a passenger's experience in a crowded tube car will be quite a bit warmer!
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Underground cars don't have AC/heat? At least in the US those are ubiquitous on subways
The deep level London tube lines would be difficult to fit AC units to given the small size and tight tolerances.

Newer units on the subsurface lines do have AC fitted.

>The deep level London tube lines would be difficult to fit AC units to given the small size and tight tolerances.

Mines quite successfully manage to cool air 2+ miles under ground, so I'm finding it a rather hard to believe that nothing can be done about this.

I think they're referring to cooling of the train cars.

The deeper tube cars running on older lines have serious space constraints to deal with that make integration of things like cooling equipment difficult and expensive. We're talking about trains that have comically small proportions relative to what you would see anywhere else in the world.

That said, last I had read, the deep line cars are supposed to get AC sometime within the next decade or so.

>I think they're referring to cooling of the train cars.

Don't think so. That is a fixable problem. (e.g. convert the space of 1 seat per car for an AC unit).

The fact that everyone is so stumped by the problem says it's the actual tunnels that are overheating. The fact that some lines don't have AC just exasperates this.

Seems odd... Just replace one seat per car with an air conditioner?
Adding AC to the trains would just make the tunnels even hotter and make the problem worse.
I'm wondering if fitting the station with a wall or glass curtain between the tracks and the platform (with sliding doors to let people in/out) could help mitigate this effect. See the MTR in Hong Kong for an example of what I'm talking about.
Subway system in Seoul also has glass partition between the platform and the tracks.

This offers 2 distinct improvements for passengers.

1. noise/dust mitigation: One can sweep the platform floors all you want, but dust from the track will always get to the platform. By installing the glass partitions, general atmosphere of the platform is just more pleasant.

2. less space for AC to cool: It's impossible to cool ALL of the space of a subway system, from miles of tracks to the platform. By installing the glass partitions between tracks and platforms, AC at the subway stations only has to cool the platform.

I heard NYC subway engineers say they can't install the glass partitions because the subways are not capable of stopping at a particular spot. This is required for the glass partitions to be installed.

I don't think it would help in the long run. The tunnels would keep getting hotter, and the AC in the trains would have to work harder and harder.
The problem is a lot of the tube stations are on curves, so each would need completely custom doors.
The deep level lines don't no. Only the sub surface cut and cover style lines.
You can pull down the inter-car window at the end of the cars. TThis is why the messy hair style is quite popular in London.