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by mowenz 3289 days ago
>Does it seem to anyone else that the finance industry is increasingly distracted from actually matching up capital to fundamentally productive companies, especially new companies?

This is somewhat controversial to posit, but I believe the corruption in the financial industry is extraordinarily entrenched because of the Fed. Before you call me a lunatic, smart and good people from Aaron Schwartz to Sanders have said things like this: that it should be eliminated, or that it is nothing more than socialism for the rich while hurting the poor.

The most obvious problem with it is that it creates astronomical moral hazard by protecting and guaranteeing the big banks.

After the Fin Crisis Krugman was talking a lot about making banking boring again, and run like utility companies. You can still have VCs, hedge funds, or whatever you want--but it's not funded by and guaranteed with anything other than the money you put in it, and it's separated from vanilla banking, ie Glass Steagall.

But then we had Dodd Frank and sometime after Krugman never went back to talking about that again.

Unfortunately, the dogma about the Fed is so entrenched in mainstream economics--so much so that speaking against it is immediately written-off.

Nearly 1.5 centuries ago, all the banks were actually betting against Lincoln to lose his war. So he used the constitutionally-granted right to print the nation's own currency, and won the war with it. The point is, there's no reason we can't do this if we really wanted to (and if you care about poor and working class, and eliminating cronyism from the world, you should want to).

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Corruption in the financial industry is extraordinarily entrenched because of deregulation, not because of the Fed.

Allowing banks to merge and become huge conglomerates, the elimination of Glass-Stegal (which eliminated the distinction between normal banks and investment banks), and lax regulation of derivatives / dark money are all very direct causes.

I agree that those are problems as well.

However while you may not agree the Fed is a problem, unfortunately the Fed and central banking has an aura of group think around it that is usually only available for religious groups. I mean the fundamental concept of the fed's mandate: price stability and employment targeting--yea they sound great, but at what point do you question the ability to create value out of thin air just by playing with money. It is by definition financial alchemy.

And yes, I'm already familiar with Keynes' arguments in his General Theory, which is the historical work that set the precedent for this.

It's useful to stop and ask yourself what exactly do central banks do that is so harmful.

The US situation of those bailouts and "too big to fail" is certainly problematic, but most people pushing that line are really against fractional reserves, but those don't really seem to have the effects people attribute to them. (And if they do have that effect, it's the central bank that sets their fraction, so it's entirely a matter of policy, not structure.)

Most of the damage the Fed causes is due to artificial manipulation of interest rates, disrupting the time coordinating function they would serve when driven by natural market forces. This time discoordination is the source of the boom-bust cycle.
The Fed doesn't have the power of setting any useful interest rate, and even the one they do set they seem to follow the market instead of setting it. (What seems to repeat on every country, because the market has more money than the central bank, and the later must avoid bankruptcy.)

Central banks do have the power of controlling the amount of money in circulation on most countries, what does indirectly impact important interest rates. But the US is an exception here, as the Fed decided long ago to let fractional reserves run as low as the banks are deciding the fractions on practice, thus abiding from any control.

Do you have a source where Sanders said the Fed should be eliminated, or was that Swartz?

I believe the comment about socialism for the rich -- here is his NYT op-ed on the Fed: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/23/opinion/bernie-sanders-to...

Schwartz said verbatim the Fed should be eliminated. Sanders has said much negative on the Fed, specifically that it's 'socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for everyone else,' and variations along the lines of 'fix the Fed,' but Schwartz is who said to completely end it.
Not to nitpick, but his name was 'Swartz'.
You're saying we should get rid of the financial industry? What, because we're all so good at managing our own money?

Guaranteeing the big banks can't fail is how we keep the economy going. If a bank fails, everyone that is owed money by that bank fails too. Is that acceptable? Would you be fine with your employer going belly up because the bank they rely on can't pay out money?

Guaranteeing the big banks can't fail is a source of moral hazard, removing the cost of being wrong from those taking the risk and transferring it to the general public. Make the banks responsible for the negative consequences of their actions with no potential for bailout, and watch their behavior change.
This is exactly right.

Just to address the above poster: vanilla banking could still be guaranteed. By contrast, in essence the Fed is guaranteeing the banks' risky investments.

The bailout money should be distributed as an equal dividend to each individual person in the country and the rest should be allowed play out.
I think this is something of a serious issue, but I was thinking more of problems in the operation of our financial markets in a straightforward legal sense.
"Before you call me a lunatic"

You're very close to being a lunatic and conspiracy theorist, sir.

"This is somewhat controversial to posit, but I believe the corruption in the financial industry is extraordinarily entrenched because of the Fed."

After TARP and bailouts it's not controversial at all.

The former and latter comments of yours in this post don't appear to agree with each other. Am I missing something?
The first part is sarcastic. It's a shame that you have to resort to "preventive self-denigrating" when voicing valid concerns about the FRS, which is basically a facade for a bunch of crooks who usurped the control over US money supply.
Ah. Yea I agree.