[cyphar]

> I dislike copyleft because I dislike intellectual property, on which, copyleft relies upon.

I promise I won't debate this further, I just wanted to say that I also dislike the concept of intellectual property. The reason I like copyleft is because it takes the draconian machinery of copyright and puts it to work protecting users.

Yes, it inconveniences developers, but I think users are more important. You wouldn't prioritise the "right to jerry-rig" of bridge architects over the people who use their bridges.

> You say "stunt," I say "free."

I'm not sure how making it harder to change out parts of a compiled program makes the language "more free". It's a feature that's missing.

> Languages are permissively licensed to drive adoption.

I don't disagree with that (though I think compiler _implementations_ should be copylefted). But that's not the point, my point was that if you can't replace parts of a compiled program then LGPL loses its appeal.

[burntsushi]

> I just wanted to say that I also dislike the concept of intellectual property.

Right. I understand the "copyleft fights against IP" argument. :-)

> I'm not sure how making it harder to change out parts of a compiled program makes the language "more free". It's a feature that's missing.

Really? Are we really not above misappropriating words? My point wasn't to lay claim to the word "freedom." My point was to say how silly it is to bake our biases into our descriptions of the world around us. The various perspectives on freedom are well covered by the Internet at large, and extend far beyond the realm of IP.