[dsacco]

> At Hacker News we might all be aware that Java and C++ suck, but others might now know. Assuming others know what you know is a common cognitive bias.

The irony here is astonishing.

I am a frequent commenter on HN and I rather like C++. I acknowledge its shortcomings without resorting to the tribalism that is marring the reputation of the Rust community.

Please don't assume that all of Hacker News has a homogenous perspective on the utility (or lack thereof) of extremely common languages like C++ or Java. I've said this before in threads like this and I'll say it again: one language does not need to win.

[steveklabnik]

"One language does not need to win" is the majority position of the Rust community. Of course, it itself is not completely homogeneous either.

[dsacco]

Oh believe me, I know the Rust community does not itself endorse this behavior (or mindset). I do believe the vocal minority that pushes that agenda actively harms the community; however, I appreciate your effort for clarification.

[tormeh]

I'm not saying that Java or C++ are useless per se, just that they suck compared to many other options we have available.

Of course they both have tremendous utility, but so too does a 15 sqm house. Doesn't mean it doesn't suck.