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by sillysaurus3 3295 days ago
This seems to have changed over the last several years. YC used to be very pro-founder in this regard, from an outsider perspective.

There's a pg essay that I can't find, but in essence states: Our rule is that it's up to the founder. If they want to aim small, that's fine. We ourselves aimed small with Viaweb. We didn't want to work on it the rest of our lives. It would be pretty lame to push founders into doing something that we didn't want to do. (EDIT: Found it: http://www.paulgraham.com/swan.html#f1n)

Contrast that with the recent Paul B interview: https://blog.ycombinator.com/paul-buchheit-on-lessons-learne...

> Jasper: Sam Altman has said that the only criterion Y Combinator uses to evaluate applying companies is, “Can this be a $10 billion plus company?” like Airbnb and Dropbox. While this model works great for a fund, there is an Early Exits movement that suggests individual entrepreneurs have a much higher likelihood of success when they raise less capital and target exits in the $20 million range. What do you think this view?

> Paul: The math does not support this strategy but if other investors want to try it that’s fine. Also, it is not just returns we are looking for but really impactful companies. When you sell too early you don’t realize the full potential.

> For example, Facebook had an offer from Yahoo for a billion dollars, which everyone told Zuck to take. Fortunately, he said no. Had he said yes, it would have been another failed Yahoo acquisition and Facebook would not have nearly as much impact. The reason we have these big and influential companies is the founders believed in a long- term vision.

I think all YC companies have always aimed big, but some, like Zenter, were fine with being acquired by Google for a smaller amount. And YC was fine with that outcome in the sense that there weren't any institutional forces set up to discourage founders from pursuing it.

YC's signals now seem to say, "A small exit is equal to failure." And while that's true for YC as an investor, I'm not sure it was true for YC's institutional forces until the last few years. If you're in an environment where all of your peers consider you a failure if you sell for a few million, are you going to want to resist that peer pressure? Especially when they're your friends and mentors?

I want to be very clear that all of this is an outsider's perspective. Hopefully someone in YC will issue a smackdown if it's mistaken. I was just giving some supporting data for why people are feeling this way.

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I think you're drawing a false dichotomy here.

As a founder of a YC company, I can tell you there's no signal from YC that "a small exit is equal to failure".

From personal experience, I can tell you that YC holds the wellbeing of the founders it funds as a top priority, even if it might seem to be against YC's own short-term interests.

It's true that YC's economic model is to fund companies that can be $10B+ successes, because having a few companies that make it into that league enables them to fund all the other companies that don't make it that big.

But they're still happy for founders who don't achieve "unicorn" status but make an exit that yields them a life-changing amount of money, or indeed any outcome that leaves them better off than they were before.

Still, they'll encourage all their founders to try to build a breakout company, because by doing that, even a "small" exit will often be much bigger than the exit you'd make if you started out with deliberately modest ambitions.

I see. Thanks for the clarification. It's a topic I've wondered about for some time.
There's likely a dichotomy in the outbound message and the inhouse message. Imo that's totally fine.
> “Can this be a $10 billion plus company?” like Airbnb and Dropbox

I have said it before and I will say it again: this nonsense is going to be the death[1] of YC. Airbnb/DropBox/Stripe/Twitch would not stand a chance getting funding from YC today.

They fell into the same trap that kills innovation like everyone else: as they grew bigger they started taking less risks.

[1] In the Yahoo/IBM sense

What makes you think YC takes fewer risks today than they did before? Going through the list of companies on yclist.com for the most recent batch, there seem like quite a few companies I'd consider risky, even compared to a nascent airbnb, dropbox, stripe, or twitch.
Stripe could have still painted a $10Bstory easily.

Agreed with the rest, though in 2017 gaming ecosystem business is more of a thing than it was in 2009.

To be clear: I think they would all likely be the same valuable businesses. My point is that not one of these companies would be funded by YC today.

They succumbed to credentialism. They traded hackers for MBAs. The proverbial John Sculley has fired Steve Jobs and taken over.

Wasn't YC always a place of credentials? Its founders hail from Harvard/MIT, and even early admits were from elite institutions.