[macspoofing]

>you are correct, the optics do not seem to be an issue when secretaries are hired to manage the private lives of male CEOs, but the optics of investing in personal life management of the CEO do appear to be an issue of optics here. We agree.

No. We don't. We aren't close. I think you're so tuned to view the world through a particular ideological bent that you are blind to anything else.

This just reminds of dealing with conspiracy theory nuts like the UFO guys, like the 9/11 truthers. With them (and you) it's a constant barrage of red herring and non sequiturs arguments. You yourself are bringing out every single example of what you think is misogyny. All we're talking about is whether or not Marissa deserves to be criticized for her job as CEO. You live in ugly world governed by sexism and I wish you find yourself out one day.

[usmeteora]

Oh well come on now. Don't be too dramatic.

I don't entirely live in an ugly world governed by patriarchy and sexism. I work with and under plenty of great men and a few awesome women, as I've stated previously in this thread that you have chosen to ignore (a blind spot on your part maybe?) but I do somewhat agree that there are facets of society that seem to have some overarching elements of patriarchy and sexism.

and I appreciate your best wishes, I have every intention of finding my way out of these situations.

It seems that the more women "talk" according to David Bonderman, the more people like David Bonderman "resign" or get fired, so I do think there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for overcoming sexism and the patriarchy.

[macspoofing]

>Oh well come on now. Don't be too dramatic.

Maybe a little but we have reached an impasse. I just don't see the world like you do, and I know you can't provide evidence for the kind of generalizations you made.

>I work with and under plenty of great men and a few awesome women, as I've stated previously in this thread that you have chosen to ignore

I didn't ignore it. There was simply nothing I could add to that. Of course you work with good men and good women. You work in tech, one of the most progressive industries around.

[holografix]

You sir (or madam) have just been trolled. And pleaaaase, don't be too melodramatic! The hypocrisy of that comment made me lol

[macspoofing]

>You sir (or madam) have just been trolled.

I don't mind that kind of trolling. I'll just answer it straight.

I think we both realized we're just not on the same page and we simply view things differently - so there's probably frustration on both sides that neither of us can convince the other with reason and argument. And to be fair usmeteora did put in significant effort to answer my points and argue their cases prior to the last 1 or 2 messages.

[usmeteora]

(he doesn't get it lol)

[macspoofing]

Oh I got you. I can read and it wasn't very subtle. I chose to acknowledge what I wanted to acknowledge and ignore your facetious, condescending and sarcastic points. Why do you think I made the point that we've clearly hit an impasse in the debate?

Generally speaking, I found that playing it straight (even if the other person is not serious) tends to keep the conversation civil and more often it is more interesting for me to debate the issue - even if you are just a sounding board.

[usmeteora]

Well..thank you for this very informative conversation :)

Lordy.