[techdragon]

Gravity != Mass

Gravity isn't the same as mass. It's related, but not equivalent.

[daxfohl]

So are gravitons related to higgs bosons in the same way? Or are gravitons, assuming higgs boson === inertial mass, more like the difference between (higgs bosons aka inertial mass) and gravitational mass (thus unrelated to / independent of higgs bosons)?

[wayn3]

gravity and inertia are 2 different properties of mass.

inertia is conveyed by the higgs field.

gravity is conveyed by the gravitational field.

we know that those fields exist, because we can observe them.

if the fields exist, the exchange particles (higgs boson and graviton) have to exist, too - or our theory is wrong.

thats kind of circular reasoning, but we cant derive physics from first principles anyway.

[AstralStorm]

Can you explain then why no gravitons have been found yet? Otherwise it is a baseless untestable assumption that the particle even exists.

We probably could derive physics from first principles if we knew them.

[baq]

We've only measured gravitational waves directly last year. The theoretical graviton is still ways off - the energies required are incomprehensible to mere mortals.

[wayn3]

the graviton is too small to be observed directly by our machinery.

if you can provide a detector the size of the solar system, proving/disproving its existence will be simple.

we could derive anything from first principles if we knew them. theres nothing probable about that. thats the whole point of first principles. do you want me to call you captain obvious?

[AstralStorm]

What about indirect observations then? Something that cannot be otherwise explained?

[cygx]

Higgs boson == inertial mass is very misleading.

Mass is essentially rest energy by another name. The presence of a non-zero Higgs field gives certain elementary particles that would otherwise be massless such a non-zero rest energy.

In contrast, compound 'particles' (hadrons, atoms, chairs and tables, ...) only gain a miniscule amount of mass from the Higgs mechanism: They are bound states of interacting constituents that are whizzing around, generating ripples in various quantum fields (sometimes described as clouds of virtual particles), with the biggest contribution by ripples in the field of the strong nuclear force.

Now, in quantum theory, any field comes with associated particles, and for the Higgs field these are the Higgs bosons, and for the gravitational field these are the (conjectured) gravitons.

While gravitons would be intimately related to how gravity works at the quantum level, the relation of Higgs bosons to inertia is rather incidental.