[wildmusings]

I think it's really unfortunate that you're more interested in a witch hunt than in actually engaging in the points raised in the discussion. I don't play on those terms. I see no need to prove to you or anyone else that I pass some litmus test that the direct point I was making is not contingent on.

Explanations of reality are not neatly divided into two camps. One can believe that anthropogenic climate change is a major issue worth addressing with vigor, and also believe that the most recent attempts to reach an international accord to that end are terrible for the long term economic and political interests of the West.

[woodandsteel]

I am not engaged in a witch hunt. I am just asking you what you think on some very important matters.

I assumed that you believe the Trump position because it is one of the two main ones, and everything you said fit with it. If you agree with the Trump position on some points, but disagree on others, you should have made that clear.

You know, you have a whole set of views on this matter. I am quite puzzled as to why you don't want to lay them all out, like everyone else does.

>One can believe that anthropogenic climate change is a major issue worth addressing with vigor, and also believe that the most recent attempts to reach an international accord to that end are terrible for the long term economic and political interests of the West.

Ok, you are starting to state what you believe, but it is quite incomplete. To start, when you say, "worth addressing with vigor" do you think that means the world should be working now to rapidly switch off of fossil fuels and onto renewables? Or do you believe this is a terrible idea because you think renewable energy is far too expensive and will be for a long time, or for some other reason?

And if you believe that we should not now be rapidly moving off of fossil fuels and onto renewables, then what specific actions should be involved in addressing climate change with vigor?