[tptacek]

If you're interested in a detailed answer, read this:

https://medium.com/@justin.schuh/securing-browsers-through-i...

Then try to work back either Edge's or Chrome's approach to security to specific Safari features and design.

The Chrome security team is probably the most sophisticated software security team in the industry (lest you think I'm in the tank for Google, I'd say the iOS platform security team is a close 2nd --- and, to be clear: Safari is a different story on iOS).

[AlexandrB]

> The Chrome security team is probably the most sophisticated software security team in the industry

Unfortunately the Chrome security team can't provide the kind of security I care about - security from Google's tracking.

[tptacek]

If you don't have the kind of security Chrome provides, then in reality everyone can track you, because all they have to do to own up your machine is get you to look at a web page.

[AlexandrB]

So you're saying that privacy is impossible?

If that's true, then I'd rather go down fighting (no matter how futile that is) than willingly give up any more private information to Google. I think the time for pragmatism when it comes to privacy is long over.

[tptacek]

I'm saying what I said: if your browser isn't adequately secure, all the anti-tracking features don't much matter, because the people you really need to worry about will be able to own up your entire machine and quietly persist themselves into it.

[untangle]

Let me play back what I'm hearing: Chrome is great because it uniquely protects you from 3rd-party hackers on the internet. Fair enough.

But do Chrome's protections also protect you equally from intercession by Google? I just want to clarify this point in my mind.

[TeMPOraL]

> But do Chrome's protections also protect you equally from intercession by Google? I just want to clarify this point in my mind.

I'd say yes, unless Chrome has specific backdoors for Google. If that was ever discovered, I'd imagine a huge shitstorm happening.

[AlexandrB]

> because the people you really need to worry about

I think we disagree who to really worry about. I worry more about persistent low-level corporate surveillance more than hacker attacks because while the latter is more acute and can cause great financial harm, the former is whats going to damage my freedom and right to privacy once the government decides it wants to firehose all that data.

[kartickv]

Unless Google can track you better when you use Chrome, that's not an argument against using Chrome.

[om2]

Google can indeed track you better when you use Chrome, since Chrome doesn't have Safari's default-on tracking protections.

[om2]

This post has lots of info about Chrome and Edge RCE defenses. Super informative on this front. But is surprising light on detail about what makes their sandbox more robust than Edge's. (I don't know near enough about the Edge sandbox to assess this claim for myself.)