[chadwilken]

I quit buying American cars because they are always a "me too", this seems like another case. Every American made car that I have boughten in the last 10 years has crapped out way before any Japanese car of similar value. The one caveat I have is Tesla, I would gladly buy one of those.

[jryan49]

I was under the impression that Tesla's also have low reliability and even worse, notorious wait times for parts?

http://www.consumerreports.org/cars-tesla-reliability-doesnt...

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/03/07/repairing-my-tesla...

[dkbrk]

Tesla appears to be working on improving the speed of repairs: https://electrek.co/2017/03/10/tesla-body-shops-network/

I understand that quality control, including fit and finish, has been steadily improving.

An electric car such as the Model S has some intrinsic advantages over ICE cars in reliability in that the drive system is small and relatively uncomplicated. I think there is likely some bias in the perception of Tesla's reliability in that there is a great deal of attention on the company so problems, no matter how small, are more likely to be reported and commented upon than with more established car makers.

There are a few specific examples that I'm aware of. For example the Model S pop-out door handle was redesigned and has been steadily replaced, and the Model X doors had no end of problems until they apparently sorted them out.

[petre]

So are German cars. Audi is a more expensive VW, Skoda and Seat are cheaper ones but the models are very much similar. The new Seat Leon looks like a VW golf now and so does the new Skoda Fabia. Mercedes is a more classy BMW. Opel was owned by GM before being bougt by Peugeot. Only Porsche, Audi and BMW make some unique sports cars.

I would rather buy a Japanese car any day. They're more reliable and you get more car features for the same amount of money.

[Judgmentality]

I think it will be interesting to see a head-to-head comparison between the Chevy Bolt and the Tesla Model 3. Even though the Model 3 will be more expensive they seem to be comparable, aesthetics aside.

https://electrek.co/2017/04/06/tesla-model-3-average-sale-pr...

[IIlIIllIIlllII]

the car market is definetly oversaturated they seem to be sustaining this post-equilibrium state with government subsidies and 'strategic acquisition' i.e. monopolization. wich hopefully gets the profit margins in order, but at leasts aids in more governments-gibs (via stronger coordination in their efforts of leveraging power/lobbying, having more leverage) also chinese are making investments (like buying daimler/mercedes-benz) that would be -ev in a vacuum. they are doing it trying to find a way into the market after beeing cockblocked EU & consorts. and for the tech I assume.

wouldnt buy a tesla though. that level of computry and no FOSS, or at least OSS, forms too high a risk as is. plus there is sending a signal that we want/require these things, so we can actually have them instead of getting cucked all the time. also am I uninformed or do they loose like 90+% value when the battery dies (8y warranty) btw data collection is fine within certain limits. the reality is many people do need privacy with all the persecution going on and rising (subverted alphabet soup agencies, militant semi-organized communists or good old moderate islamists beating up right-wing politicians) so it is necessary to have that option. would you buy a car that requires you to censor yourself on certain topics lest you may be facing zelot vigilantes or worse? its not like the 'as long as you have nothing hide..' slogan is anything other than propaganda/dysinfo I understand the realities of the market, competition etc. so I dont blame tesla for everything. still not a product I want.