[fragsworth]

An additional wrench thrown into the mix is the fact that the Ethereum and Ripple developers/owners have a lot to gain by trying to make sure Bitcoin is unable to scale. It doesn't take much effort (since the miners are already hesitant about agreeing to some update) to sabotage the whole situation.

It's quite possible that they're funding both sides of the debate to make sure none of them generates a super-majority.

It's also quite possible that Bitcoin developers who were once heavily invested in Bitcoin have already switched to Ethereum, and now are actively sabotaging it.

[zzalpha]

See, these are exactly the kind of poisonous claims that make this an impossible debate.

In short: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

If you want to claim an altcoin conspiracy to destroy Bitcoin, prove it. Otherwise take your baseless gossip elsewhere, please.

[Rmilb]

Perceived 'crypto economic incentives' will taint any controversial decision in most public chains. Those incentives must be tested to prove that they work. If they fail, we rebuild chains with better incentives; this is how bitcoin became anti-fragile.

[asymmetric]

This is quite the unsubstantiated claim.