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by zaksoup 3304 days ago
Red states have lower GDP, higher poverty, lower education, and are largely subsidized by blue states through federal grants.

I am not implying causation and there are other interesting facts (lower cost of living relative to wages in red states) but as it stands now if blue and red split it doesn't seem like it's all that controversial to imply red would suffer.

A little bit of googling turns up many interesting articles and interpretations of this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/timworstal...

2 comments

Of course, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the article, but it's always funny when someone posts an article they didn't read. It directly contradicts what you're claiming:

> The red states aren't in fact poorer than the blue states. They're richer: that's why they vote more conservative and more right wing.

The article argues that people who make less move to areas with lower costs of living, because they have more purchasing power in those areas:

> Because those lower income places have even lower prices, making consumption standards higher.

That is, red states aren't poor because of red policies, they're poor because they're cheaper to live in.

Further, the article claims that blue policies hurt the poor!

> What we now need to go on and explain is why those nominally left policies, those blue ones, are so to the disadvantage of the poor they're supposedly helping....

I read the article. I don't think you read my comment. I posted the article to cite a positive interpretation of the statistics I claimed.

I made no claims about which policies were better or worse. If you have issues with the one claim I did make, that the implication that red states would fare poorly without blue states is not farfetched, I do not believe you have adequately articulated them.

From the article:

> Red state economies based on energy extraction, agriculture and suburban sprawl may have lower wages, higher poverty rates and lower levels of education on average than those of blue states

You missed his/her point. We go on and on about this difference between the coast and, as those on the coast have dubbed them, the "flyover states" and then people act all smug about how they are leading to their own destruction and what not instead of being responsible and trying to educate and help. It's, frankly, pretty pathetic that this attitude is so pervasive. I'm not sure what you (not you specifically) are thinking, but if you think that these impoverished areas are somehow just going to go away or that (and seriously lol at this) somehow California is going to merge with Canada, you're (not you specifically) incredibly naive.
While I agree that many coastal liberals are often smug, the notion that people in other areas are groaning in the throes of oppression is not really founded in fact. Large parts of the country have great contempt for the more liberal enclaves on the coast and pour scorn on the people and civic societies established there. Try spending some time reading a conservative forum like freerepublic.com, though you might need eye bleach after you're done. There are a lot of decent, hardworking, and hard-done-by people in the midwest, South, other inland regions etc. etc. who don't want their economies exploited or their dignity insulted, and there are also some vicious mean-spirited people who habitually wish horrible suffering on others.
>the notion that people in other areas are groaning in the throes of oppression is not really founded in fact

Sure, that's not something I would believe so I don't disagree.

>Large parts of the country have great contempt for the more liberal enclaves on the coast

Wonder why that is?

>who don't want their economies exploited or their dignity insulted

Yet here we are. With their economies being exploited and their dignity being insulted.

You don't seem to be responding to my comment so much as random phrases from it, without making any substantive argument of your own.
I responded to individual points that needed to be refuted. The rest was just filler.