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by derefr 3306 days ago
I feel like this made sense for the 1700s United States because everyone there was a recent immigrant—which is to say, people with both the desire and the proven ability to pick up and move to find a place that better suits them.

When you have communities of mostly that type of person, you can just make each community into its own little experiment, and tell everyone to go on a Gulliver's Travels-esque journey to find the right community for them, then settle down.

When your communities, on the other hand, are full of "entrenched" families/clans—groups of people who, for reasons of proximity or tradition, just won't move no matter how bad things get where they're currently living—then the Great Republic Experiment breaks down a little.

Specifically, it breaks because you'll get people who just really don't fit in a place, and would be better suited to some other system of laws available in some other state or municipality... but want to stay where they are anyway, despite suffering strong disutilities. You'll get large numbers of such people, in fact. (See: Detroit.)

A large part of the reason for federalization comes down to helping those people by guaranteeing certain minimum quality-of-life benefits in all those communities, whether the majority there support them or not. Which results in communities that need to share more laws than not, and rapidly lose much of the benefits of separation.

If everyone had kept the "immigrant mentality"—of being willing to drop your existing life to find personal liberty somewhere else—then the US wouldn't much need a federal government (beyond a sort of inverted border-police, working to ensure that people aren't being inhibited by local laws from crossing state lines—a "non-underground" railroad.)

But Americans haven't kept that mentality, and I'm not sure there's a way to re-instill it. It's just, as far as I know, a personality trait—one that happened to have 100% representation in the 18th century US, but then reverted to the mean in their descendants.

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I have a pretty big problem with the idea that if people won't do what's in their best interest, then we ought to make sure the system doesn't suck too much, even though it's guaranteed to suck because of those people's decisions (per your contextualization).

Why couldn't a government incentivize these people to move (say by offering subventions for moving out of some given place) instead of of incentivizing staying (as I understand your description to be)?

I'm fully ready to believe that government just can't be trusted with such far-reaching and non-obvious schemes, but I'm curious to know if someone can think of a way such a scheme would fail in practice (in other words: how is it like communism)?

>When your communities...are full of "entrenched" families/clans—groups of people who, for reasons of proximity or tradition, just won't move no matter how bad things get

This is a really great point, and I am admittedly biased as someone that grew up moving 4 times across state lines. Meeting new people and figuring out the local 'vibe' was part of my upbringing.

Moving is hard, but it's doable. I write this as a much less ambitious person than most seem on HN (and older).

Not just want to say, but have no other real choice but to stay.
What do you mean? What could prevent someone from moving even though they really want to?