[Joshhannah]

btw when i said notable I meant know-it-all... had hand surgery recently and speech-to-text is not 100%

the reason I came on so strong was that (maybe misguidedly) I felt like I really have to sell the idea of spending 10+ hrs on this, or of really being willing to go back to the drawing board if refs are" good but not great" -- there is so much inertia in the way people usually run the process. but i take your point that, in attempting to do so, I may have failed (and in fact come across smugly)...