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by it_learnses 3313 days ago
The illogic in these arguments is astounding. Maybe I can simplify it for you with a few analogies.

>All people criticising Aadhar for being insecure frankly don't have a real solution in place.

Criticising something doesn't necessitate me to providing a solution. It's like saying all movie critics should be good actors.

>Being an Indian citizen I know and have experienced benefit owing to Aadhar. I get subsidies from the government, one uniform identity that I can use to get important things.

Sure aadhar might have some benefits for you. But the critique is raising many points which make it incredibly dangerous and harmful in the long run. It's like using steroids to gain muscle faster, which is very harmful in the long term.

>Coming to the security part, which centralised biometric DB doesn't have risks.

Yes and those systems do get criticised so it can be improved. Also, aadhar claims to be open source, open API, run by volunteers, none of which it is. It sells your data to private services. Were you going to address that point at all?

>Mozilla being such a nice organisation with so many good initiatives. Why don't it come forward and dedicate some of its resources in helping out the Indian Government?

Indian government has a lot of resources too. It's not exactly poor. It could do a good job if it wanted to. That's not what this criticism is about.

>Wouldn't that be better than just criticising without knowing any ground reality of how things operate in India?

How do you know the author doesn't know the ground reality of things in India?

Look, criticism of a system or policy serves to ignite debate on how best we can make improvements and move forward. Rather than being snarky and getting all defensive and making silly illogical arguments, how about you contribute to the discussion by addressing the points raised in the article?

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Forgive me if I'm mistaken but it does sound like you are writing from a position of extreme privilege.

Poor Indians trying to get benefits but having those benefits taken is a life threatening crisis for those impoverished individuals and families. It is entirely forgivable for those families to ignore the "long term consequences" when the short term consequence is losing the meager benefits they have to corruption. Your argument is like arguing that chemotherapy will ruin your body when the patient is dying of cancer.

If their system can stamp out widespread corruption in exchange for some loss of privacy, the cure is not worse than the disease. The technically minded in wealthy countries should consider helping by proposing a better solution, rather than criticizing measures borne from true desperation.

Doesn't matter what position I'm speaking from. Can you argue against my points? Of course, poor and desperate people will take whatever benefits are given them despite how damaging they will be in the long term. Your chemo analogy doesn't hold water here because chemo actually is better in the long term - you don't have to keep doing it once your cancer is cured. This is more akin to acquiring cancer on purpose to cure a cold.
I'm arguing from pragmatism, not moral idealism.

If your theory of privacy doesn't account for how poor desperate people will happily trade privacy for survival and provide a better option, privacy will simply lose, over and over again. If the best you can do is "this is wrong, giving up privacy is like cancer", privacy is just doomed. Privacy is already losing everywhere. You'll have to come up with a technical solution that actually meets people's felt needs.

I don't think we're arguing about the same thing. I never said (and neither did the article) that we shouldn't use systems like these. What I am criticising is the Indian govt. selling off the data and not taking privacy into account.

BTW, this is not just an idealistic point we're arguing for. This is long-term pragmatism. Majority of the people will always go for short-term gains, this is well known.

Don't play the privilage card now every body's privacy is at stake.