[sanderjd]

I've seen this a few times in the thread and I don't get it. Nobody is saying there is a "Cultural Engineer" role, they are saying that there are operations roles and development roles, and that DevOps is not a role, but a culture where the people in both roles understand, help, and cooperate with each other.

[FLUX-YOU]

A devops engineer should know how to apply devops to your organization before the other roles have become proficient. It's someone to ask vs. reading the Internet for things that might not apply to you.