[pjc50]

Remember that Roosevelt's famous "four freedoms" included two "freedom of" and two "freedom from".

The "freedom from" elements have been de-emphasised lately as they're extremely unpopular with the right-wing:

"The third is freedom from want—which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants—everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear—which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor—anywhere in the world."

[Shivetya]

seems to me the only recent threats to freedom of speech have all been from the "liberal" side expressed quite well in colleges with heckler vetoes and codified in law with nebulous hate speech definitions. with regards to worship, same thing, you can have your beliefs but you have to bow to our laws which supercede.

we have lost freedom from fear because both politicians and terrorist profit by exploiting it.

[frogpelt]

Interesting. So one person sees the right wing de-emphasizing the "freedoms from" and another sees the left-wing taking away "freedoms of".

I guess we need a middle wing that attempts to preserve as much liberty as possible for as many people as possible regardless of who feels it is unequal or offensive.

I say this because I feel that the fight for equality is in direct opposition to the fight for liberty.

[pjc50]

Liberty without equality is liberty for some, not for all. Or we're back to the view that people are "free" to do things which they cannot afford to do, or might risk their precarious employment or healthcare situation.

[zaphods-towel]

We have also lost freedom from fear because of militarization of police, violent suppression of protest, extensive surveillance, harassment and manipulation of journalists, and threatening actions taken by bigots.