[threeseed]

> Apple loses a lot of the talent to other companies, and has never really been known having strong technology, so I understand that.

That statement is just ridiculous.

Apple innovates a lot in the mobile and desktop spaces and on the software side they have pushed a lot of projects forward e.g. WebKit, LLVM. They also run some very large web services e.g. iCloud, Messages which are on par with some of the challenges Google and Facebook have.

[pjmlp]

You should talk to iOS developers about iCloud.

[threeseed]

100M people have downloaded apps I wrote. I know all about the issues with iCloud.

But as a web service that underpins so much of iOS it is still on a scale and complexity that rivals anything Google and Facebook has. Apple doesn't get enough credit for actually make this work on a daily basis.

[titanomachy]

Well, they get hundreds of billions of dollars. I doubt they feel unappreciated.

[zaphar]

iCloud is impressive and is easily on a scale that most companies will never reach. But Google and Facebook are on an entirely different level. The comparison isn't even close. iCloud isn't a rival. It's more of a distant cousin.

They definitely deserve credit for making it work because even at their scale it's an amazing feat. But there's no comparison to Google or Facebook's scale.