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by nandemo 3313 days ago
That's such BS. Have you actually lived in a developing country?

If you're American and you care about poverty -- as in relative poverty -- in your country and you want to do something about it, more power to you. It's not like someone being much poorer elsewhere prevents you from caring about a problem in your country. But please don't trivialize abject poverty by implying that the American working class have it as hard as the lower classes in the developing world.

It doesn't matter what some parts of the US anecdotally and subjectively "look like", they don't measure nowhere near as poor as rural Philippines or Vietnam. Or urban Philippines/Vietnam for that matter.

In those countries, the literacy rate is around 95%. Imagine 5% of people around you are illiterate. Even in Brazil, a so-called "emergent" country or "upper-middle income" country, the literacy rate is only 92%. So 8% are illiterate; not "functionally illiterate" as in unable to correctly interpret certain texts, mind you, but actually unable to read. You cannot get a fast-food job or work as a Walmart greeter if you're illiterate! In contrast, in developed countries the literacy rate is >99%.

In the Philippines, 1 in 3 children are malnourished.[0] This isn't some vaguely defined "food insecurity" concept; it's actually malnourishment, kids being severely underweight and stunted.

In the US millions of people can take advantage of welfare benefits. So even the non-working poor in the US have much, much better living standards than the working poor in the developing world. Also, when exactly did the US bulldoze a shantytown? And so on.

[0] http://www.rappler.com/move-ph/issues/hunger/141134-philippi...

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This econtalk episode featured an interesting comparison between US rural poverty and 3rd world countries. http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2016/10/chris_arnade_on.htm...
The US Census says the US has a literacy rate of 86%. This is a controversial metric, though. The CIA factbook defines literacy as having completed 5 years of schooling. By that definition, the US is at 97.9% literacy. Better than your 95% number, but not Nordic country levels.

Also, shantytowns aren't really allowed to exist in the US. They are becoming more common in progressive cities like San Francisco and Seattle, but even there the cops sweep through and make everyone leave every few months. There is no "bulldozing" because the structures are highly temporary, being made of old tents and tarps. You just don't see the multi-generational shantytowns common in developing nations.

Public benefits aren't very easy to get in the US. There is a lot of beaurocracy to work through and there really isn't any push to help people sign up.

> Better than your 95% number, but not Nordic country levels.

People were talking about the US being "third world", you're clearly moving goalposts.

> Also, shantytowns aren't really allowed to exist in the US.

... so? You're essentially saying that the US government doesn't allow poverty to exist. Virtually all of the US lower class lives in places with a proper roof, proper running water and electricity. Might not sound much but the point is: there's no part of the US that is like a 3rd world country.

> Public benefits aren't very easy to get in the US.

21% of the US participates in governments assistance programs.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97....

There are no goalposts. I'm just trying to add nuance to the discussion.

Also, governmental assistance varies wildly in the US. I was part of the reduced price school lunch program, but my family never received raw cash like is often conjured up by the term "governmental assistance."

>In those countries, the literacy rate is around 95%. Imagine 5% of people around you are illiterate.

That's high! 95% literacy rate isn't really worth mentioning when many countries are in the 30-40% range

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_...

> In those countries, the literacy rate is around 95%. Imagine 5% of people around you are illiterate. Even in Brazil, a so-called "emergent" country or "upper-middle income" country, the literacy rate is only 92%.

India's literacy rate is 74.04%.

I've lived in a developing country and parts of US are indeed similar or worse than a developing country.

I wouldn't go as far as to say parts are third world, but in terms of danger, some parts of the US are close to third world (Detroit, Chiraq, etc).