[jhg]

> Chinese like everything simple, doesn't have to be too exact

Oh, don't start. "I don't know what the bug was, but I fixed it." - verbatim quote. This was a mode of operation of disturbingly large number of Chinese devs I have worked with. After several bugfixing iterations of this kind it was easier to throw the code away and redo it from scratch than to understand how that managed to work. So, yeah, "don't have to be exact" is certainly there.

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LOL Anyone who's ever worked with a Chinese PhD's, grad students or serious developers (such as in finance) knows this is complete horseshit...

But you're right, this thread is the perfect place for some casual racism to vent your frustrations in working with third-rate developers foisted upon you by your company's outsource policies.

[jhg]

My primary experience stems from working for a Canadian-based company with 200+ developers (located in Canada), 80% of which were Chinese programmers. The CTO of the company was Chinese and he had an obvious preference for hiring graduates from his own university and/or country. Top picks, but few with more than a couple of years of non-Chinese experience.

Just to emphasize - EIGHT PERCENT of my coworkers came from Chinese software development companies and they quite naturally brought their work ethics with them. My four years in this company is a basis for my original comment.

If it's not obvious, I am not talking about Chinese nationality, I am talking about developers with Chinese way of working in a software development environment. The way that revolves around never saying No to the boss, which in turn is deeply rooted in their cultural heritage. If the project manager says that the bug needs to be fixed today, it will be fixed today. Meaning that it will no longer be reproducible. How it will be fixed and what else is going to broken along the way is secondary. This will create another bug that can be taken care of later in the same manner.

And this was the company that developed sophisticated networking software including their own embedded OS down to the kernel level. Moreover most of these guys were perfectly capable of NOT cutting corners and doing a splendid coding job if forced. But god forbid if they would ever do it on their own accord. Everything was always done in a rush and sketchy-patchy way. I don't have any other explanation except for it to be a cultural thing.

You can certainly call it a horseshit and a casual racism if you'd like. However that's how things are in reality.

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> However that's how things are in reality.

No, that's how things are in your reality, which is not necessarily anyone else's reality.

You've just perfectly described under-skilled, over-worked, under-paid H1b-style immigrants who get deported if they're fired. Not talented people working at the top of their game in finance, biotech, startups, etc.

When you're at the bottom of the pond everything looks like shit. You even said yourself they're fresh grads with very little experience. Dumbass.