[anovikov]

If i was an investor, i'd see it as a red flag indeed. I'd think: 'so this guy left the boat being a founder, giving up most of his share, so probably he knows that the company is going to tank and don't want to waste his time anymore, and he definitely knows a lot more about it than i could potentially know being an outside guy'.

[austenallred]

It's not just about the signaling, it's about very practical realities that come to light when you need to use that equity. If I were an investor and I saw 33% of shares with a former co-founder I'd walk immediately. If I were an investor that saw 33% of shares with a former co-founder and then 25% gone in an initial $500k raise I would run, not walk.

There's just not enough equity left to incentivize, create an options pool, hire, raise future rounds, etc. It is a Huge red flag, and the likelihood of success decreases dramatically.

I tried to raise once with 28% of the company being gone from our seed round, and it was a major, major concern. If this company ever needed to raise again, they'd be dead in the water. Therefore, the founder ends up with 33% of nothing instead of, say, 5-10% of something, and it's in his or her own best interest to take a smaller piece.

Now 5%? Maybe 10%? That stings, but at least it leaves the company something to work with.

[angus-prune]

You've done this, and I haven't. But I thought you just diluted every round - so that 28% would end up as 21% if you sold a further 25% of the company.

[austenallred]

Yes there's dilution, but ~50% of the company being gone after a couple million dollars raised is not a good thing

[empath75]

Or you might think that he got in over his head and decided to step aside and let the other guys manage the business.

[SkyMarshal]

That rarely happens. In that case the incentive is actually to stay on, let your co-founders drive the value, and pocket the equity/$ for it. Easy money. Takes a rare breed to self-sacrifice for the good of the company.

It's more likely what annovikov said, the one leaving has serious doubts about the strategy but got out-voted.

[derefr]

What is the self-sacrifice in this case? You're trading "working to build a business to earn an equity-stake" for "free-riding on others' work to build said business to make your equity-stake more valuable."

Think of it as two separate companies: Startup A, which you co-founded, and which ended up dissolving, you seeing nothing for your efforts (other than whatever salary you managed to scrape out); and then, Startup B, which you bought a huge number of shares of for the amazing price of $0/share, and now get to smile as those shares appreciate, like any investor. It just so happens that Startup A and Startup B are the same company at different points in their life, but that shouldn't change your views toward the two situations.

[greglindahl]

Still a huge red flag.

[inputcoffee]

This is a different question though.

This would be a red flag whether he accepted 33%, 10% or 5%.

The question is, is the flag "more red" if he has a higher percentage.

[danieltillett]

I do a bit of angel investing and I would run not walk from any deal with a background like this. When the only people with any deep understanding of the business disagree flashing red sign number 1. When the company has 33% dead weight equity flashing red sign number 2.