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by levesque 3327 days ago
The feature is technically interesting, but I don't care about Allo. There are enough silly messaging apps out there, evolving in their own silos. I miss the days of the XMPP protocol.
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I have always trouble remembering where a message came in. I have SMS / iMessage, Messenger, Whatsapp, 5 e-mail accounts and a Forum Inbox to worry about. And since you can't exactly flag messages as 'to do' I have to answer immediately or risk forgetting to reply.

I hate that.

Ditto this, on android.

I have Messages, which i think is Google's... and i only downloaded it because the apps from Samsung, Verizon, and Facebook went to war in January (on my phone at least) and somehow I ended up getting texts in either the samsung app or verizon but never both, but group conversations in facebook messenger, but only the verizon app would actually allow picture messages to be viewable if i sent them to my mother.

I also have Allo, because a (<-- not plural) coworker and I were curious about it. I think it solved that they didn't have facebook but did have apple, or maybe not i don't know. I also downloaded Duo and haven't opened it since, and I had hangouts, but i'm so very angry that Google screwed that up yet again. I have zero confidence in Google products fulfilling any of my needs completely ever again, and I really used to be the Google-champion of my friends... sigh.

Yeah, Google's been messing up messaging ever since Google Wave.
Me too. On my Pixel, messages will randomly appear either in:

* Allo

* Hangouts

* Messenger (Android)

* Messenger (Facebook)

* WhatsApp

It's like SMS-Roulette.

A possible solution would be to run all third party apps in containers and use computer vision (deep learning) to collect messages and notifications from their screens into a single place, if they don't want to cooperate officially. I don't know the legal implications though.

Another app that should run into a container and be post-processed by computer vision is the web browser. We need to contain the browser itself (more privacy) and keep the pesky ads out of our eyes in a way that is impossible to hack by clever scripting or ad-block detection. On the next round, ad publishers would have to create adversarial ads that fool the classifier which would be a whole lot more difficult.

I just tell everyone to email me. I have one email address. Everyone uses email. Problem solved.
Me too. I do not know any of my friends who are using Allo. Why didn't Google roll out this feature within Hangouts?
Google has 12354697024785902789027345238907423 messaging apps and no one has any idea why.
Hangouts is now meant to be intended for enterprise use while Allo is the consumer-focused messaging app
A consumer-focused messaging app. There's also Duo for video calls and "Messenger" for SMS (on Android). There's also the older thing called "Messenger" that's still running on all those devices that no one ever updated.

On the desktop/browser, I guess there isn't a consumer-focused messaging app anymore. Unless I'm missing something obvious, Google apparently ceded that ground to others.

I'm beginning to realize why Allo is as goofy as it is. It's not actually a messaging app. It's a machine learning playground app with a feature to send stuff to other people occasionally. Allo makes more sense as a concept if you look at it that way, though as a product, that's a bonkers idea that basically no one needs. Hence the non-existent user base.

App fatigue is real... when Captain Kirk flipped open his communicator he didn't select which app to use when requesting a transport. That Google has several apps which compete and conflict with each other is absurd. The fact they keep migrating functionality in and out of them is moreso. Just pick a winner and be done with it. There's not really a competitive advantage to splitting your ecosystem into 5 different communication apps, google, there's really not.
> when Captain Kirk flipped open his communicator he didn't select which app to use when requesting a transport

The original TOS communicator was just a dumb pipe into the ear of a switchboard operator (the naval rankings Uhura bosses around, presumably.)

In TNG and beyond, there doesn't seem to be "operators" per se, but the device still has a Conversational UX. Less like a phone, more like the Amazon Echo.

Presumably, in the future there will still be individually-packaged suites of software (and even such suites existing as rival products); but likely, in something like a space-navy, everyone has got the same software, and it's all been centrally requisitioned and integrated into monolithic monster workflows that show no hint of its origin. I imagine personal "communicators", despite the CUI, would resemble today's phones much more closely, as there'd have to be a way to install your own software packages and then manage the resultant overlapping suites of functionality, without requiring some full-time engineers to put it together into a streamlined system.

> That Google has several apps which compete and conflict with each other is absurd.

Google is a bunch of independent teams competing and conflicting with each-other (to launch products, mostly.)

The jockeying would be a lot clearer if each team had a distinct marque, beyond just "Google" or "Google Research" or "Android" or "Chromium Project."

> Google is a bunch of independent teams competing and conflicting with each-other (to launch products, mostly.)

Well, Google needs very badly to stop that then. If you think internal competition somehow breeds better products, then by all means run the company that way. But pay one person to keep this fucking Thunderdome isolated from the public. Someone needs to declare a winner before you trot out 83 contestants, all of which suck because you couldn't make a damned decision.

That's not entirely correct. Allo isn't suitable for consumers, because you can't be logged into more that one device at once (last time I tried it you had to actually reactivate it every time you switched device). Additionally there is no web interface.

Hangouts does have an enterprise story, but I don't understand what Google's strategy is. I'm not sure they have one.