[dkrich]

I don't own an Apple Watch, but I know lots of people who do and love them.

But in any case, I think the last ten years of iPhone and iPad releases do somewhat agree with me.

[msabalau]

So if we only look at Apple's successful products, we can agree that Apple's only makes "very carefully designed" things..

[dkrich]

I think that holds for pretty much all of their products, successful or not.

But if you want to argue that Amazon is a better product company than Apple, then have at it.

[DannyBee]

Right. Cube, Ping, etc