[OneOneOneOne]

> the carbon tax can either substitute other taxes or the revenue from it can be returned to tax-payers in some form

I would be surprised if carbon tax payments offset some other taxes.

[dangjc]

California is proposing per-capita dividends for their cap and trade auction revenue.

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/5/3/15512258...

[davidw]

They're simply saying that in terms of tax policy you can do something like:

* Carbon tax forecast for X billion in revenue.

* Let's knock X billion off of income taxes (or whatever else you want).

This is what Washington State tried, although the measure was sadly opposed by "environmentalist" groups like the Sierra Club.

[ZeroGravitas]

Technically, they didn't oppose it, but they didn't support it either, as members had mixed feelings about the approach, which I'll paraphrase as it partly being a disguised tax cut for the wealthy rather than a revenue neutral carbon fee.

http://www.sierraclub.org/washington/sierra-club-position-ca...

I personally support offsetting carbon taxes against other taxes, but since it would be regressive, I'd lean towards mitigating that in whatever compensatory tax cuts were introduced.

[TheCoelacanth]

My preferred solution would be to simply take all of the carbon taxes collected and divide them evenly between all residents.

[ZeroGravitas]

That can work too, though it's still probably regressive, as some people have more resources to adapt than others.

And if the policy is regressive then you face the danger of it blowing up in your face. For example, see what happened when the rich in America seized most of the benefits of globalisation, now we have Presidents threatening to burn it all down and being popular in doing so. If you actually want carbon reduce toon to be successful you need to factor in the politics, both getting the wealthy and powerful on board and getting the average man in the street to feel that he's not being screwed (which some people will tell him he is, even if he isn't).

[TheCoelacanth]

Maybe, but I would kind of assume that poorer people already end up emitting a lot less carbon since most carbon emitting activities already have a significant cost involved.

[davidw]

I'm not so sure: poorer people often have to drive further, in clunkier cars. In any event, it's likely more 'regressive' than income: a rich person might earn 10X, but generate 2X the carbon. I bet there's data for this, though.